In this episode of the Hangar DX podcast, Patrick joins host Anka Jan to discuss the parallels between the DevOps movement and the current AI transformation in software engineering. Drawing on his history as the person who coined the term DevOps and organized the first DevOps Days, Patrick identifies recurring patterns: the same spectrum of believers and skeptics, the rush of competing tools, and the gradual maturation from initial chaos to established practices. A key difference, he notes, is the unprecedented speed of AI adoption, which leaves less time for ideas to stabilize before the next paradigm shift arrives.
The conversation centers on Patrick’s “four AI native dev patterns” framework. The first pattern, from producer to manager, describes how developers are becoming reviewers and operational managers of AI-generated code rather than writing it themselves. Patrick draws a pointed analogy: just as systems administrators once received code thrown over the wall with no context about what it did, developers now receive AI-generated output they must take responsibility for in production. The second pattern, from implementation to intent, explores specification-driven development and context engineering, where developers write structured specs that guide AI behavior. Patrick acknowledges both the promise and the complexity of this approach, noting that specs can carry organizational politics and conflicting requirements just as human-written documentation always has.
On the topic of discovery and experimentation, the third pattern, Patrick argues that vibe coding has legitimate value when understood as exploratory prototyping rather than production development. He compares it to exploratory testing: a way to learn what should be built before committing to building it properly. This naturally leads to parallel coding strategies where multiple AI agents work on different variations simultaneously, with the breakdown of tasks into non-overlapping branches becoming a new planning challenge.
The discussion also tackles whether DORA metrics remain relevant in an AI-assisted world. Patrick’s answer is firmly yes, since software still needs to reach production reliably, though he observes that faster code generation does not automatically mean faster delivery when review becomes the bottleneck. On the question of where humans should still make decisions, he draws a line around risk: AI can help generate options, provide situational awareness during incidents, and handle low-risk rollbacks, but high-impact production decisions still belong to humans. He closes by suggesting that the DevOps delivery pipeline will need to be rethought once the AI-driven development process itself stabilizes, noting it is too early to prescribe exactly how that will look.
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